Tuesday, December 1, 2009

IIM is where I belong to . (really ???)

Never in my life I've felt more cheated, except for may be when the BCCI announced that its a private body and not actually INDIAN and from that very day, I never had same interest in watching Cricket.

IIM, 3 characters which when pronounced together make a lot of eyes glitter. Cracking "CAT" has been considered as a proof of intelligence, perseverance and common-sense. So much so that the people who couldn't get a call from an IIM, were able to secure admission into the world's best Management Institutes like Insead, wharton, LBS etc. They attracted the best minds of the country (and arguably some of best of the world).

Lesser mortals like us, who had not been to these coveted Institutes always thought the people who would be teaching these extra-ordinarily intelligent people must be oozing with talent, common-sense, innovation and confidence. These institutes named as "Indian Institute(s) of Management" were thought of as proud possessions of a emotional country much like IITs , Sachin Tendulkar and Lata mangeshkar.

But then, very unlike the later three, IIMs probably didn't think the same way, with the passage of time they realized that " They are getting the best in India anyways" so its time to do some-thing else. They further realized that they don't feature in the top global B-Schools ranking, and the only reason for this is they don't have a campus outside India(how intelligent of them), and they thought about opening a new campus out-side India and that with-out Government help and these are the same IIMs which lack faculties and funds and have to increase their fees beyond reasonable limits to compensate for it, and I am not sure where else one can find an example where a government (or so we believe) institute takes more fees than its private counter-parts.

And this isn't enough, since the IIMs wanted to be 'like' their international counterparts, they decided to go for profile based selection, and that in such a way that even if one scores a 100 percentile in CAT, one may not have a call from the IIM(s) of one's choice, it doesn't even matter if he/she is a district topper from a state board(like bihar or UP). Some-one who is rank 10 in his/her school in a ICSE board school in a metro(say Mumbai) will have added advantage over some-one who is from a village (in say U.P), who was the district topper and that while he helped his old father in fields and earning bread, justice !!! Right.....

And as if this was not all, they decided to take another step towards getting global, they decided to conduct CAT online, citing rising number of students as the major reason. Whereas IIT-JEE which has higher number of applicants and AIEEE which has much more higher number of applicants continue to be paper based examinations, and this in a country where more than 60 % population lives in villages.

The infamy that has been in store for the IIMs regarding tender distribution for Computer Based Test and then the organization of the entrance exam itself is some-thing about which saying something will be like showing a knife to the devil.

The questions which haunt me now are

* What is more important ? Global recognition and a position in Top B-schools rankings, or imparting management education to the most deserving candidates in a fair and un-biased way.

* Does IIMs even consider themselves as "Indian Institutes of Management", or do they consider themselves as just another B-School for which name, fame and money are more important than anything else ?

* Are the following points justified.
==> "even a 100 percentiler not getting a call from an IIM". (and please don't give the reason that its same in GMAT)
==> The same IIMs which justify increasing fees, because of lack of funds and not mentoring new IIMs because of lack of faculty have enough money and faculty to open new IIM campuses abroad and that with-out government funds.
==> CAT going online, even though it anyways favored the tech-savvy English speaking population over others, and justifying it for increasing number of aspirants when more than 3 times students sit for AIEEE which is a paper based test.
==> Denying details of how and why the tender was given to one particular company, and if it was really because that company has vast experience than how come this fiasco.
==> How can the director of an IIM say something like " this is part of the game" when some students who have toiled hard for these 135 minutes don't get a level-field to play the game ?
==> 14 % students have been directly affected by this fiasco and director of another IIM declares that first administration of CAT has been successful.5


and this is when we are not even talking about all the funny details about Hardware incompatibility / virus attack / extra load etc as if they were not even expected and came out of blue, when they had prepared themselves with the best possible security....

To sum it all in a few words I would like to quote Munira Lokhandwala an IIM alumni.

"If I would have known this in 1996 when I applied to the IIMs I would have thought twice before learning any management from them."

P.S -> If even an ardent IIM-fan like me is thinking in this direction, I am not sure that IIMs will continue to attract the best in the country any-more as a friends tag on my g-talk list says "XAT authorities are happy, they will have a better batch than IIMs this time".

11 comments:

  1. well said BMR...IIM will loose its charm if they will keep making such blunders. the best known institute of India is not expected to do this, and play with thousands of serious cat aspirants's life. I think, Indian Institute of Management NEED TO LEARN HOW TO MANAGE TEST ONLINE.

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  2. yup pretty screwed up this time around for sure...!

    but i disagree on one point, the iims rank lower internationally cause they take a lot of freshers, this makes them score low in the batch profile criterion.

    so to improve on that count, they have to take profile into account, i would think they're justified in wanting consistent performers rather than a cat-expert!

    As far as cbse/icse city slickers scoring more cause of a top 10 rank in class. Never heard of that.

    I have been following your performance in aimcats through pg n talktime. How was the cat exam. must have a cake walk for someone like you.....:)

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  3. Hi,
    Thx. for the appreciation.

    First point, batch profile of IIMs has just 25% freshers(and I am not sure if it can qualify as "lot" of freshers).

    Secondly, state toppers in UP Board and Bihar board score around 80-88 percent, while in CBSE scoring 90-95 is a pretty common thing.
    or scoring a cg of 9(that will convert into 90 %) is not a very big deal(though I am not a 9 pointer) while scoring a 70 % in a college from UPTU IS a big deal.

    and same holds true for the so-called profile (read extra-curricular and co-curricular activities).

    As for my CAT performance, this CAT was far from my strengths : " read speed and smart methods", still I attempted 60 and clicked the quit button 27 minutes earlier but am not sure of the accuracy.

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  4. I think a person's profile (professional) is the most important thing, not his score.
    It's what you have done, not how much you can score in an exam. By your definition, smart people like Mukesh Ambani (though i will agree he is evil) or even his father will never get in to a b-school. Are you telling me, that a person who gets 100%ile is a better candidate than him.

    The CAT score should only be a judgement of "academic rigor", and nothing else.

    I do agree that, taking scores from 12th etc and then not normalizing them is bad.
    Also, I believe online is the way to go. Why shouldn't it be online. Why are we all so against change. Things don't always happen according to plan, life has never been a level playing field, why should the CAT be any different??

    Don't mean to be rude, just putting in my thoughts.

    -- dheeraj

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  5. Hi,

    I don't mind you being rude, provided you do give me some logic for it.

    As for the points you have raised, I was appreciating the fact that at-least some-one has tried to show a new angle to this debate but then your one statement compelled me to change my opinion about you ...

    " Things don't always happen according to plan, life has never been a level playing field, why should the CAT be any different??"
    What ???

    You mean since life ain't fair so India can give Pakistan 25 overs to play and then play itself for 50 overs, and give them the reason life has never been a level playing field, why should cricket be any different??, or may be next time elections are held, one party won't be allowed to campaign, life has never been a level playing field, why should the elections be any different??

    I hope you have got my point regarding this one, but to make sure that you did let me summarize it for you, Life isn't a level playing field but whenever one is organizing a competition (of any kind) we do try our level best to provide the level playing field, this is FUNDA of life, life ain't perfect be WE DO TRY TO MAKE IT PERFECT or at-least as close to perfection as we can get....

    As for your sensible points, I agree with you that a person's profile is the most important thing and one score can't define one's personality, but please do try to realize that not everything can be quantified (though again WE DO TRY TO DO SO, PARTICULARLY IN MANAGEMENT), If you have ever visited a village ask the most brilliant one you come across about his/her extra-curricular activities or the percentages, and compare it with the average profile of some-one from St. Loyola, and even if we consider this as his/her own mistake, why deny him/her a chance to correct it, make it difficult for him to get to the college he/she desires but don't make it impossible.
    Take the example of FMS, they also give emphasis on your previous acads but even with average acads you do have some chances of a convert, no matter how little it gives one hope that he/she may get into it if he/she is good enough.

    As for CAT exam being a judgement of academic rigor, in theory CAT is an aptitude exam and one's performance doesn't depend on the number of hours one puts into preparation, though practically I agree that it does depend on one's hard work, but don't you think it is the same for 10'th and 12'th marks.

    Explaining it in your way, Do you think a candidate who score 95 % marks in both 10'th and 12'th is a better candidate than Einstein or Wordsworth or Steve Jobs.

    As for "being against change", I or anybody else I know isn't against of change, the truth is one of the primary reasons we loved CAT was because of changes, the uncertainty it carried. But there must be a reason for a change, and if you can give me some good reasons may be I will be convinced and be a supporter of CAT going online, but the reasons given by CAT authorities fail to impress me and hence I am against the changes.

    Will love to read your reply.

    Regards.

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  6. Hi Ranjeet,

    Agreed, The level playing field was a very badly stated point. I'll take that back. What I meant to say is - We should try to fix it, not complain about it. But that is easier said than done, and I apologize for that.

    WRT

    > As for your sensible points, I agree with you that a person's profile
    >is the most important thing and one score can't define one's
    >personality, but please do try to realize that not everything can be
    >quantified (though again WE DO TRY TO DO SO, PARTICULARLY IN
    >MANAGEMENT), If you have ever visited a village ask the most >brilliant
    >one you come across about his/her extra-curricular activities or the
    >percentages, and compare it with the average profile of some-one >from
    >St. Loyola, and even if we consider this as his/her own mistake, why
    >deny him/her a chance to correct it, make it difficult for him to get
    >to the college he/she desires but don't make it impossible.
    >Take the example of FMS, they also give emphasis on your previous
    >acads but even with average acads you do have some chances of a
    >convert, no matter how little it gives one hope that he/she may get
    >into it if he/she is good enough.

    Yes, not everything can be quantified. Yes, it is wrong to try to do so. I have visited villages :D, infact, my father is the first generation out of his village and we go back quite often. There is a difference of opportunity between those villages and some one who studied in a city college. the fact that you participated in a quiz competition doesn't make your application better than some one from a village who didn't have any competitions. It is really what you learn out of it and what you portray. I was a part of my college theatre group, but i didn't just learn to act or direct - I learnt conflict management and team motivation. My dad learn the same things, in a much bigger scale - he helped his dad manage a group of laborers harvest the farm, he learnt conflict resolution by stopping the neighbors from fighting over the use of the village well. I believe he learnt the lesson in a much more valuable way.
    It is not what you have certificates for, but what you understood from the few things you did. When they ask you for you profile - this is the kind of stuff they would like to know. The problem is, most people don't think of this, of think of showing this. This is where you and me agree, IIM is not checking this anymore, it is now just how many certificates - 5, ok done.

    When I refer to profile, i am keeping acads out of it. I agree with you that some one with 70% isn't a bad student (I am one of those). This is where the CAT is a second chance - to prove that you have the academic rigor and intelligence, which you didn't bother displaying when in school. It is your second chance. This is the one funny part - i know people with 80% who have go into IIM, but my brother-in-law with 93% and 98.6%ile in CAT (after REC Warangal), didn't get into IIM-A, because they said his score was too low, go figure.
    I don't know why they insist on high scores through your life, but they do. I'll fight it when i can.

    The CAT going online is the best thing that happened to CAT, the next thing they need to do, is make it truly flat - write CAT anytime of the year, and make sure people are equally challenged. I am a big fan of the GMAT format, if you explore it, i'm sure you'll love it too.

    My thoughts aren't completely clear here, but that is because I'm writting this in a hurry.
    Waiting to hear back from you, this is an interesting discussion.

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  7. Hi,

    My good luck, that you have been to villages and you have been sensible and mature enough to understand my points since I wasn't sure if I've been able to put-forth my points in a lucid way.

    Good to know that we agree on most of the points, as for being a fan of GMAT, from what-ever I've heard, read and understood GMAT isn't a luxury its a compulsion. The target audience for international B-Schools comprises of students all over the globe and no one country gives it more than 30 % of the total class, conducting a test on a single day in all these locations isn't possible and hence they HAVE to conduct a computer adaptive test.

    But still I will give you some points on why GMAT isn't that good.

    * Every-time GMAT has some questions which are included in the test but they don't contribute anything in the marks one obtains, they are experimental questions which GMAT authorities intend to include in coming papers. Now, the time one invests on such questions goes in vain, and the dependency of luck factor increases.

    * No transparency : Nobody knows exactly how they mark a paper Or how the level of difficulty and the marks associated are decided, excellent way to ensure that nobody can claim about a wrong methodology used. One funny observation : attempting all questions with 1 wrong answer gives you more marks than attempting 1 question lesser.

    * GMAT prouds itself (and many GMAT fans say this is the major advantage over CAT) that GMAT is truly a test of aptitude while CAT is a test of knowledge and that ones GMAT score doesn't vary much while CAT score does. Nothing can be further from truth, google it a little and u will find out that every time one retakes a GMAT his/her score increases by close to 15 marks on average.


    Will love to find out why you are a big fan of the GMAT format, and may be then we can discuss if it really suits the CAT environment.

    P.S -> I haven't appeared in GMAT and all the observations are heard from those who have appeared in it or from various sources on Internet, I don't take any responsibility of it being wrong or inappropriate.

    P.P.S -> Even after these (and a lot many other) flaws, universities like Wharotn and LBS aren't wrong when they are using GMAT and this is because this is the only option they have (now a days they are using GRE as well for some courses) but this doesn't mean that its the best option in case of IIMs where more than 95 % applicants are from India.

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  8. Here a little something written by an IIML student. And i agree to most of it and points made in your blog.

    http://corpodile.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/brand-dilution-of-iims/

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  9. @ BMR
    Excellently put dude!
    U might have missed one more blunder by iims!
    Allowing more than one month to the people effected!
    Dunno how r they gonna normalize the time given for preparation???

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  10. Thx. for the appreciation buddy.

    But I am afraid that I don't think one more month to prepare will make any significant difference to one's performance.

    Please try to understand that CAT is more of an aptitude test than a knowledge test, and unlike end-sem exams of engineering Institutes etc. a few more hours of prep don't make much difference, otherwise all the CAT toppers (read 100 percentilers) would have been people who have appeared in CAT, while more often than not those appearing in CAT for the first time in their life get equally good marks and percentiles as the experienced fellows.

    Anyways, best of luck for other entrance exams and the GD-PIs and kindly do post your views on the GD-PI topics which I will be posting in this blog.

    Regards.

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